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Keiko Green |
07/07/2026 10:58 |
Another point raised below (by Michael) was :’what we're supposed to be doing as Christians”
When you accept Jesus as your personal saviour and we invite Him into our life, we are saved. "For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God—not by works, so that no one can boast." Ephesians 2:8-9
Then what are we supposed to be doing as Christians?
Four gospels teach us how Jesus lived. He took the victory for humanity. He is our model to live as well. Pauline letters teach us how Paul lived as a follower of Jesus.
For some years, I have been reading The Rare Jewel of Christian Contentment, a Book by Jeremiah Burroughs, a Puritan preacher. (Ephesians 4:7) It is a very good book though there are limitations just like any other books/commentaries, because this book is not the Bible inspired by the Holy Spirit. Personally, it has helped me to understand how my current Christian Faith has been formed over time.
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Keiko Green |
06/07/2026 15:09 |
Regarding the miracles, God performed miracles, I personally believe in miracles today as well. Mary’s immaculate Conception, I do believe it as well. However, Mary, Jesus’ mother is not the one who initiated the miracle. God used her as a vessel to show humanity that He is Almighty.
So is Mary special? Yes, she is.
Is she God? No, she isn’t.
In the Bible, miracles seem to have often happened for evangelistic reasons, i.e. among/in front of non believers. There are many examples of these in the Bible.
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Keiko Green |
06/07/2026 14:36 |
The point I wanted to make was do we expect to find the same outcome if Catholics and Protestants are using different canons? Never mind the interpretation of the same book, canons themselves are different….
Then the question becomes: Are you universalists? Or not.
J.I. Packer, “A universalist is someone who believes that every human being whom God has created or will create will finally come to enjoy the everlasting salvation into which Christians enter here and now.”
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Keiko Green |
06/07/2026 14:02 |
‘For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus.’ (1 Timothy 2:5) ‘This, then, is how you should pray: “Our Father in heaven, hallowed be your name,…..(Matthew 6:9)
Catholics and Protestants have been using different texts, different canons. That is why Catholics pray to the saints/dead. And Protestants don't.
Let me explain. Please be patient.
1. Many scholars believe Jesus’ primary language was Aramaic and he is believed to have understood Hebrew growing up around the Synagogue and also to have known some Greek.
The Hebrew bible (Judaism) contains 24 books written in Hebrew (some passages in Aramaic).. Tanakh—an acronym for its three distinct sections: the Torah (Law), Nevi'im (Prophets), and Ketuvim (Writings).
Tanakh content is identical to the Protestant 39 books of the Old Testament, but the texts are combined/grouped differently).
Catholic Bibles contain 46 books.
Orthodox Bibles contain 50 or more books.
Background: The Hebrew bible was translated into Greek and called Septuagint, LXX for early Greek speaking (Jewish) Christians. The Early Church was considered as a Jewish sect before considered as a separate religion, Christianity. The Synoptic gospels (Matthew, Mark, and Luke) frequently quoted the Old Testament using the LXX rather than the Hebrew Masoretic Text. The Catholic Church and the Eastern Orthodox Church include most of the books in the LXX in their canons, Protestant Churches usually do not. After the Reformation, many Protestant Bibles began to follow the Jewish Bible canon and exclude the additional texts, the Apocrypha. Catholics pray for the dead. This is based on the Book of 2 Maccabees, which is included in the Apocrypha.
2. What does the New Testament say; ‘For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus.’ (1 Timothy 2:5)
‘This, then, is how you should pray: “Our Father in heaven, hallowed be your name,…..(Matthew 6:9)
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Angus J |
04/07/2026 17:22 |
I would like to add a point of information to this extended discussion with regard to the meaning of the Greek word 'kecharitomene' as referred to in the comment dated 26/06/2026 17:44. It does not mean "full of grace", but rather refers to someone on whom grace has been bestowed, 'one who has been favored (by God)'. This meaning can be confirmed by reference to the Greek-English Lexicon, 3rd Ed, by Danker et al. (2000) p.1081, with the meaning of 'charitoo': "to cause to be the recipient of a benefit, bestow favor on, favor highly, bless". Further confirmation can be found in the several instances of 'kecharito...' (inflections vary according to context) in Thesaurae Linguae Graecae.
The meaning propagated within the Roman Church 'full of grace' comes from the erroneous translation in the Vulgate 'plenia gratia' - a translation from which the Roman Church derived its theology from for about 1000 years, and a source of a good number of theological errors.
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Douglas (Guest) |
04/07/2026 12:26 |
Another reason for not praying to those that Roman Catholicism has deemed to be "saints" is that God has expressly forbidden making contact with the dead (e.g. Leviticus 19:31 & Deuteronomy 18:10 - 12). And it was Saul's final mistake when he consulted a medium to ask for Samuel's guidance before fighting the Philistines (1 Samuel 28). We have access to God the Father through the sacrificial death of the Lord Jesus. That is all we need.
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Michael Petek |
29/06/2026 15:15 |
If you want to know more about the Cor et Lumen Christi Community, I'd advise readers to obtain Damian Stayne's book Lord Renew Your Wonders and watch the YouTube videos. Better still, go to any of their events, some of which are in person, others are on line.
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John Shipton (Guest) |
29/06/2026 11:40 |
Veneration, worshipping, praising Roman Catholic saints and of Mary does not honour the Lord God Almighty but is the complete opposite and contrary in what He instructs, especially idolising their effigies and statutes placed in religious buildings. Nor altering the Word of God to suit teachings and practices as Roman Catholicism does. The warning given by Almighty God is summed up as declared in Deuteronomy 4 verse 2 and Revelation 22 verse 18 to 19 - for He gives explicit, stern warnings against altering His word in both the Old and New Testaments. He commands humanity not to add to or subtract from His commandments, emphasizing that His word is perfect, complete, and requires absolute obedience. The Roman Catholic Church does that in its false teachings and practices which has been with other cults like the Mormons (the Book of Mormon) and the Jehovah Witnesses having their own version of the Bible, the New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures (NWT). Jehovah's Witnesses use the New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures as their primary holy book. Published by the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society, it is a specialized translation of the Bible. Jehovah’s Witnesses also utilize extensive supplementary literature written and distributed by the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society. But going back to Damian Stayne events and meetings, the call to go and preach John 3 verse 16 seems to be missing in the outside world. Missing from the towns and cities of the UK. Instead they appear to be of a "glorified hallelujah" emphasis and said dancing in the spirit (of what!). His recently held Catholic Miracle Rally 2026 was a mixture of charismatic shenanigans while the May meeting was called Prophecy Now! consisting of a style of modelling higher level of prophetic ministry through him and his team to seek to minister prophetically to those attending. He invites folk to discover more events from Cor et Lumen Christi Community by their quote of "from spirituality to other experiences you might love." The same group advertises on more events to come with different dates, prices, and formats to find your next great experience. A great experience in what! Reminds of the so called great experience performed by Benny Hinn at his meetings, like blowing on and waving his coat over the gatherings to receive the Holy Spirit. Televangelist Benny Hinn frequently used his suit jacket, often referred to as his "anointed coat" or jacket, during his healing services. He would whip, wave, or snap the jacket over audiences, claiming the "anointing of the Holy Spirit" flowed through it, which would cause attendees to collapse or fall backward. Makes you wonder where Damian Stayne is heading in which prophecy is used, said healings taking place, deliverance, and the razmataz style of worship. I will leave this for readers to consider with wisdom and discernment!
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Michael Petek |
29/06/2026 05:53 |
Just in case we don't know what we're supposed to be doing as Christians: (1) worship (divine service) expresses recognition of God's Sovereign Lordship and of His exclusive right to be obeyed in all things whatsoever; (2) veneration - praise of someone's excellence - expresses God's good pleasure in someone - as in eulogemene/eulogemenos; (3) asking a saint to pray to God for you entails asking them to petition someone who is above them - not exactly idolatry, is it?.
Perpetual virginity: IF same father AND (same mother OR different mothers) THEN = brother OR sister.
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John Shipton (Guest) |
29/06/2026 02:14 |
So there we have it when the teachings and practices of Roman Catholicism differ and are said to be more important than main stream Christianity. While all respect her as the mother of Jesus, Christian traditions distinguish between worship (adoration reserved for God alone) and veneration (honor shown to saints). Biblical believing Christians trust the Word of God that worship and prayer should be directed exclusively to The Lord God Almighty. While they respect her vital role in the incarnation of Jesus, born again Christians avoid venerating Mary or asking her to intercede, believing it detracts from the sole mediatorship of the Lord Jesus Christ. According to Jesus, OBEDIENCE to God's Word is MORE IMPORTANT than BEING the WOMAN who GAVE BIRTH to the SAVIOR. For nowhere in Scripture does Jesus or anyone else DIRECT any PRAISE, GLORY, or ADORATION towards Mary. On the CONTRARY, blessed are THOSE who HEAR the WORD of God and OBSERVE it (Luke 11 verse 28). Bible Believers do not emphasis Mary in the same way as Roman Catholics do. While they acknowledge her as the virgin chosen to give birth to Christ, they reject Roman Catholic doctrines and practices in praying to her, her bodily assumption into heaven, and her perpetual virginity. They base beliefs strictly on the Bible, while Roman Catholics incorporate their said sacred traditions and practices. I am glad to say that I am one who takes the Word of God as declared and not misused. I do not dislike or try to put Mary on a pedestal. I recognize her as a faithful servant of God and a highly favoured woman, but do not venerate (worship or overly exalt) her, together by accepting that manifestations of her are given by Almighty God in spirit and form. And one final word: there is no verse in the Bible that explicitly commands Believers to pray to Mary - the Bible does not contain instructions to pray to Mary or any other saint. Can it suggested that born-again Christians keep looking unto Jesus. After all, He is the author and perfecter of our Faith. Praise the Lord!
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Michael Petek |
28/06/2026 19:47 |
So when you're given TWO examples of the use of the word "brother" and/or "sister" that could mean either a full sibling or a half-sibling (same father, and EITHER the same mother OR different mothers) you find certainty that Mary the mother of Jesus had other children afterwards. How does that work? And what if another Mary were identified as the mother of James the younger and of Joses (Mark 15:40), both of whom are said to be brothers of Jesus.
You never did truth tables and logic at school, did you, John?
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John Shipton (Guest) |
28/06/2026 16:01 |
Mary, the mother if Christ, did have other children, when biblical references to Jesus's "brothers" (James, Joses, Simon, and Judas) and sisters as literal biological children born to Mary and Joseph after Jesus. So she had a family which cannot be disputed. So she did not remain a virgin over her entire life. Many believe Mary had at least seven children. But the Roman Catholic Church has their own version as with doctrines, teaching, and practices which are questionable and contrary to New Testament theology. Even scholars suggest she lived anywhere from 3 to 30 years after Jesus died on the Cross at Calvary! As a born -again Christian, saved by the Grace of God, the RC Church's adoption of worshipping and the adoration of Mary has no significance in the role of Christianity, despite its version. The formation of the biblical New Testament Church became the Body of Christ and Believers are its unique members. In simple terms, the "Body of Christ" is Christianity in practice representing the global community of Believers. It illustrates that just as a human body has many interconnected parts working together under the direction of the head, the Church functions as a diverse, unified organism with the Lord Jesus Christ as its guiding head. It has nothing to do with Mary who is treated by Roman Catholics as the Queen of Heaven! The billionaire televangelist and said prophet has indicated that the Pope utterances should be listened to as he has been ordained by God. Indeed, Kenneth Copeland has publicly supported and partnered with Pope Francis and the Roman Catholic Church, particularly advocating for ecumenical unity between Charismatics and Roman Catholics. Copeland and other participants viewed the connection as a move of the Holy Spirit to bridge historical divide and denounce those Christians who said otherwise. The exchanges for unity took place in 2014. However, the outcome was supposed to have been secured by the Holy Spirit, an abuse which was seen outrageous by biblical standards! Since then and in 2026, Copeland declared 2026 will be "The Year of the Big Fix". He described this as a period of divine restoration and realignment, where God steps in to repair what is broken in global affairs, communities, and individual lives. He avoids talking about the biblical falling away. He shuns talking about marriage. Kenneth Copeland has been married three times. What he also keeps underwraps is his large estate comprising of an airport, mansions, buildings and gardens to include luxury fixtures and fittings. He owns a fleet of limousines plus his ministry operate a fleet of three primary private business jets. The aircraft are maintained for domestic and international ministry travel on his private estate. Not to mention security guards to keep the public at bay. To visit him there is by invitation only. This is far beyond the life and lifestyle of the Lord Jesus Christ! The Roman Catholic Church is abundant is prosperity holding an estimated £30 to £75+ billion in global assets and priceless historical architecture. The RC hierarchy argues that beautiful art and architecture serve a spiritual purpose to delight the senses and honoring the majesty of God. It can be said that the Roman Catholic Church, its clergymen, and its empire, has been chosen by God as the true Christian Church. Its statues, figurines of madonna and child, of their saints, and other idols place in their churches, are said to have been acceptable by God, and the collection still grows. I beg to differ! What do readers and the editorial team of this web site believe regarding the matter of the Roman Catholic Church and its significance of teachings and practices in today's religious experience? For we all have to give an account with ourselves concerning John 3 verse 16. For retired pastor in Northern Ireland faced legal charges after preaching John 3:16 near a hospital within a restricted zone. He stated he simply shared a brief Gospel message, while Christians argue the case of raising broader concerns about freedom of worship.
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Michael Petek |
26/06/2026 20:17 |
The Immaculate Conception is the belief that the Virgin Mary was preserved free from the stain of original sin from the exact moment of her conception in her mother's womb. The teaching goes on that Mary was kept free from original sin by a special grace and privilege of God.
You've got that one right, John. Mary was preserved by s singular grace and privilege of God from original sin. That is why the Holy Spirit was able to say the same thing about Mary as He characteristically says about Jesus - that the Father is well pleased with her and with Him. These are words of final judgement (cf. "Come, you who are blessed (eulogemenoi - passive mixed gender plural) of my Father.
Now let's look at another one. Mary's perpetual virginity. "But Mary had other children!" Is that so?
In Mark 6 we read a reference to Jesus' brothers. A little further down we read that Herod and Philip were brothers. We know from Josephus the historian that Herod the Great was their father, but they were sons of different mothers: Malthake and Cleopatra of Jerusalem.
In the story of Abraham, we find him telling King Abimelech that Sarah is his sister (as well as his wife), the daughter of his father but not of his mother.
So we don't have enough information to enable us to find that Mary had other children after Jesus.
Now for idolatry.
The Hebrew term is "alien service" (avodah zarah). It refers to the outward recognition of the right of any other than the true God to be obeyed in all things - no one but God and our lawful superiors on earth has the right to command us. It is signified in sacrificial offerings, libations, and incense.
Prayer to the saints or the holy angels is not like this at all - it's supplication for them to pray for us to God, who is above them. No saint - not even Mary - has jurisdiction, the public power of ruling with the consequent obligation of obedience.
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John Shipton (Guest) |
26/06/2026 19:52 |
It appears that you not only worship Mary but pray to her which is not biblical that lies within the false teachings and practices of Roman Catholicism. The Roman Catholic Church defines the Immaculate Conception as the belief that the Virgin Mary was preserved free from the stain of original sin from the exact moment of her conception in her mother's womb. The teaching goes on that Mary was kept free from original sin by a special grace and privilege of God. In response to this she was only saved by the Grace of God as I was and is similar to the life of John the Baptist, the same with the Apostles Paul and Peter and those who have been born again after having been challenged by the Lord Jesus Christ to mend their ways and to follow Him. So to treat Mary differently as with the disciples of Jesus was not so as she was a sinner saved by the Grace of God as every Believer. To put her on a pedestal, and images made of her to be worshipped and adored, is idolatry. Roman Catholics also believe that by being preserved from original sin, Mary was kept free from personal sin throughout her entire earthly life. Just a false assumption! It is one of the four Marian dogmas of the Roman Catholic Church. It was formally defined as an infallible doctrine by Pope Pius IX in his papal bull Ineffably Deus on December 8, 1854. The RC Church also puts an emphasis on the twelve stars of the Virgin Mary which primarily symbolize a crown of heavenly glory and divine authority, Also amongst their beliefs Mary beholds the Queenship of Heaven: The crown symbolizes Mary's exaltation and status as the Queen of Heaven and Earth, reigning alongside her Son, Jesus Christ. Again this is not biblical! In addition, Mary has been given Privileges and Virtues with the tradition which is also associates the twelve stars with the twelve special privileges and virtues attributed to her as the "Blessed Mother (such as her Immaculate Conception, perpetual virginity, and fullness of grace)." With all of these traits, teachings, and practices, why keep a rosary hanging up or under a pillow? Keeping a rosary under your pillow is a Catholic devotional practice meant to invite spiritual protection, calm anxious thoughts before sleep, and serve as a tangible reminder to start and end the day in prayer. Prayer to whom! Saints like Padre Pio famously slept with a rosary to find comfort, trusting that it invoked the maternal protection and presence of the Virgin Mary. Here ends the discussion for the Roman Catholic Church seems to be resembling a cult to that of Jehovah Witnesses and The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (informally known as the Mormon or LDS Church).
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Michael Petek |
26/06/2026 17:44 |
Let's discuss the Immaculate Conception, shall we, John?
The Holy Spirit characteristically expresses the Father's good pleasure in the Son. It's in His "job description".
The first thing the Holy Spirit said to Mary through her cousin Elizabeth is "Blessed (eulogemene - feminine passive singular) are you among women and blessed (eulogemenos - masculine passive singular) is the fruit of your womb."
"Eulogemenos/-mene" means "well spoken of (by God)". The word "eulogy" comes from it.
For the Holy Spirit to single out Mary and gratuitously to say of her what He characteristically says about Jesus is a big deal. It is incompatible with the presence of sin in her. It explains the word "kecharitomene" ("full of grace" - feminine passive singular). The root is "charitoo" and the prefix "ke-" indicates an action completed in the past and with effects continuing to the present.
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John Shipton (Guest) |
26/06/2026 16:38 |
Never to stop Michael what is a statement out of proportion regarding the teachings of the importance of Mary and her apparitions. To suggest that I have blasphemed in the Holy Spirit is another matter. Many bible believing Christians view Marian apparitions with deep skepticism, often categorizing them as illusions, psychological phenomena, or the work of Satan. The theological argument is rooted in the belief that the dead do not return to Earth. Because Satan can appear as an "angel of light" (2 Corinthians 11 verse 14), many believe that any vision promoting doctrines unaligned with the Bible is spiritually deceptive. If an apparition's message contradicts scriptural teachings or promotes false theology, this is evident and viewed as a deceptive spirit. Marian apparitions, is seen as unbiblical hallucinations, psychological phenomena, and demonic deceptions. Nothing to do with the Holy Spirit either! Prominent apparitions often emphasize Catholic doctrines like the Immaculate Conception or the Rosary, which are largely rejected by born - again Believers who view them as unscriptural and akin to idolatry. Believers behold that Jesus is the only mediator between God and humanity (1 Timothy verse 5). Therefore, they see messages directing people to pray to Mary as contrary to the Gospel message, Believers of which I am one of them believe any supernatural revelation must align perfectly with Scripture. When apparitions request specific prayers or make theological claims not found in the Bible, they can be dismissed as false. So the Holy Spirit is not quenched but discernment is being used. For apparitions promoting unbiblical teachings or unscriptural practices is to be treated as spiritual deception. But then, Roman Catholicism has its own ideas on what to teach and not to teach! Mary appearing at Fatima was not a sign that God was bestowing a benefaction upon Israel; nor she can take any credit for divine mercy upon the nation of Israel or the Jewish people. This is utter nonsense and it should remain that way quoting such manifestations of Mary!
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Michael Petek |
26/06/2026 15:02 |
The previous response (Guest) is of course mine.
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(Guest) |
26/06/2026 15:01 |
You never stop, do you, John? To commit the sin against the Holy Spirit means to confound Him with the spirit of evil, it is to deny, from pure malice, the divine character of works manifestly divine.
Let's look at what's manifestly divine in the return of the Jews to the land of Israel. Four manifest signs.
1. The nine months of gestation from the Feast of the Presentation of the Lord on 2 February 1917 to the Balfour Declaration on 2 November 1917.
2. The legalisation of abortion by Soviet Russia on 18 November 1920 - the massacre of the innocents in the spirit of Herod.
3. The period of preparation - about thirty years similar to Jesus' hidden life - from 2 November 1917 to 14 May 1948, the establishment of the State of Israel.
4. The year 1948. Abraham was born 1,948 years after the creation of Adam.
Once you've read the narrative of the Presentation in Luke 2 and then matched sign #1 above, who do you think carried Israel as a mother carries her unborn child? Once you've found the answer, then it should make sense that Mary did appear at Fatima at least as a sign that God was bestowing a benefaction upon Israel
The precedent for this is that, in the vision of Ezekiel, he saw the living creatures before he saw one like a son of man.
Let's go a little deeper. The apparitions of Mary at Fatima were on the 13th of successive months, May to October. In Jewish reckoning there are thirteen attributes of the Divine Mercy.
Pope John Paul II was shot on 13th May 1981. He died at 21:37 on 2 April 2005.
2+1+3+7=13.
2+4+2+0+0+5=13.
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John Shipton (Guest) |
26/06/2026 14:28 |
So there we have it regarding the so-called apparitions of Mary with the excuse of blaspheming against the Holy Spirit. The way in which charismatic Roman Catholics are directing themselves are in the occult realm. Watch this space for more false teachings and practices. The group which has been mentioned is similar to the calling said to be given by the Lord God Almighty with David Hathaway and company using London as an example of revival which never happened and was supposed to happen all over the United Kingdom. The Rev Betty King, considered as a prophetess and teacher, prophesied this and the effects of revival at one of his rallies at Wembley arena. Bishop John Francis, the founder of Ruach City Church, preached a similar message to the gathering, Instead there has been a falling away not only in London but elsewhere throughout the UK. Fact not fiction! It is said that this church organisation stands as one of Europe’s largest and fastest-growing charismatic Pentecostal ministries and has many followers to include Benny Hinn's (Word of Faith Movement) support who has preached his suspect teachings at events held there at this church. The prophetic utterances given by Mary should not be accepted as from Almighty God, or claims to be biblical. Such apparitions speak for themselves when Almighty God is said to be accredited to such. Satan has many disguises and Mary is one of them, even forbidden by Christ and apostles Peter and Paul when bowing down to idols. When Catholics "pray to" Mary, it is not to seek salvation from her, but to ask her to present their prayers and needs to her son, Jesus. She is viewed as an advocate and a loving mother figure who intercedes on behalf of humanity. There is only Saviour who fits this role and it is through Christ who is the Son of God. For the Lord Jesus Christ is understood to be the sole mediator and eternal intercessor between God and humanity, bridging the gap created by sin . He uniquely fulfills this role because He is fully divine and fully human, representing both parties and granting believers direct access to God. So trying to say otherwise can be considered as false and misleading. That is why Believers can declare Maranatha for it is Christ who is coming soon - not Mary!
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Michael Petek |
26/06/2026 06:19 |
There is, Mr. Shipton, a very good reason why we Catholics don't contend out of hand that the apparitions of Mary are from the occult.
It is that we know better than to blaspheme the Holy Spirit.
Let me run through this again. The prophecy given by Haggai in his chapter 2 is where God promises to shake all the nations and fill THIS house (the Second Temple) with glory. The Presentation of Jesus in the Temple was the only occasion in the history of the Second Temple when this prophecy could have been fulfilled - and indeed it was, as indicated by the words of the Holy Spirit through Simeon.
On every occasion when the Lord was glorified in the presence of Mary, she became a mother. Once for the Incarnation, and at the Cross Jesus made her and John mother and son.
What about the Presentation of the Lord? What I see in this is that the Holy Spirit caused Mary to bear life when Jesus was 40 days old - but the effect materialised on 2 February 1917, the Feast of the Presentation, some 19 centuries later. The wonder that the Lord has worked is that God separated cause and effect across time, and Mary became the mother, not this time of an individual, but of an entire nation - the modern nation of Israel in a foretaste of Israel's salvation.
That is why there are TWO promises to shake all the nations: one at Haggai 2 (fulfilled at the Presentation) and another at Hebrews 12 (dated 2 February 1917).
The Balfour Declaration was issued on 2 November 1917 - nine months to the day after the Feast of the Annunciation. During that period, Mary appeared in Fatima, Portugal. In retrospect it seems she was, spiritually, carrying Israel.
About thirty years later (Jesus was about thirty when He began His public ministry) the State of Israel emerged to independence. The year was 1948.
Abraham was born 1,948 years after the creation of Adam.
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John Shipton (Guest) |
26/06/2026 02:12 |
The late Morris Cerullo said that he had been anointed by God in the prophetic domain but alas his prophecies were proven false. The phrase " do not touch thy anointed" was often quoted by Benny Hinn and Kenneth Copeland when challenged. The phrase "touch not mine anointed" is frequently invoked by Pastor Benny Hinn and his followers. It stems from Psalm 105 verse 15 to suggest that spiritual leaders are immune to criticism or contradiction. However, this interpretation is highly debated. Pastor Justin Peters contests the misuse of this statement for it applies to all believers rather than granting unchecked immunity to modern charismatic preachers of the 21st century whose charisma is to fester their empires. Televangelists treat themselves as untouchable and provides a dangerous shield against accountability. Kenneth Copeland, a prominent Word of Faith televangelist, and the Roman Catholic Church share a complex relationship marked by surprising ecumenical outreach and mutual efforts toward Christian unity. He has publicly denounce Christian leaders who believe that the Roman Catholic Church is cultish in beliefs and practices together with the thought supporting that the Pontiff has been chosen by God (again do not touch thy anointed view). In July 2014, there was three hour meeting of Pope Francis and Texas televangelists Kenneth Copeland and James Robison, just weeks after the pontiff met with televangelist Joel Osteen (another Word of Faith preacher) and other religious leaders. They seem to be best of pals on teachings and practices. In fact Kenneth Copeland proclaimed that the RC Church should be accepted as part of the Christian Church without questions. When the RC Church, Kenneth Copeland ministry, Benny Hinn ministry, Joel Osteen ministry, and the late Morris Cerullo ministry now used by family members, and company, appear to building their own empires, the abuse of Scripture is being revealed. The Charismatic Movement has attracted charlatans who are acting that God has chosen them specifically which is simply not true and false. It is said that charismatic Roman Catholics are accepted to join this movement. But the reality is that they do not contend that the apparitions of Mary are from the occult, prayers of Mary is not biblical, and the celebration of Mass is questionable. So prophetic gifting, if applied, should not be kept under wraps only to be displayed at private organised meetings. It is similar to asking the Holy Spirit to come down upon folk instead of seeking Repentance and Salvation and afterwards to be filled with the Holy Ghost. Also when claiming to be an evangelist one should Go Ye and seen outside of church meetings in preaching the message of the Gospel, far lacking in the United Kingdom. The Church, in general, has lost its first love, neither hot or cold, but prefers meetings inside buildings to get attention, together in wanting a good old knees up mother Brown inviting the Holy Spirit to take hold. Sadly, the Lord Jesus Christ is outside waiting to come in!
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Michael Petek |
25/06/2026 17:31 |
By the way, there are many videos of Cor et Lumen Christi on YouTube, which you can watch to your heart's content.
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Michael Petek |
25/06/2026 17:28 |
Let me tell you what happened on Saturday, Mr Shipton. The ministry team of Cor et Lumen Christi have a prophetic gifting whereby they're in prayer before the event, either on the same day or on the previous day or even earlier. The Holy Spirit tells them the description and first name of a person, where he will be sitting, what he will be wearing. They will then enter these details on their electronic devices (eg by sending an e-mail to the team member) which will show the date and the time. These cannot be falsified.
One of the team (who is also an ordained deacon) gave me a prophecy in this way, from the platform. The prophecy said that I'm called to evangelism, and that I will bring a lot of people into the kingdom. This is exactly spot on with what happened 35 years ago at the New Dawn Conference at Walsingham. One of the platform speakers, Father Robert Faricy, told me that I have been given the gift of evangelism.
On the same day I was sitting at a table with Father Peter Rookey (the healing priest) and another man. A young lady came up to me and told me that I have been given the gift of evangelism.
During the 35 years since I haven't brought so much as a mouse into the kingdom. After I came home I read the story of Abraham. He was 75 when called but 100 when Isaac was born.
The lesson I take from this is that it's one thing to be given a gift, but quite another to be released in its exercise.
The Lord couldn't have chosen a better time. Just under a month ago I was given a diagnosis of prostate cancer. So now He calls me!
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John Shipton (Guest) |
25/06/2026 13:46 |
Please note for the reason of ??? etc is that the event and details published which took place in London have now taken place and considered no longer relevant.
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John Shipton (Guest) |
25/06/2026 13:40 |
Thank you JJ for your article. So keep writing as you. However, I have a problem with Michael's remark and suggested ministry of Damian Stayne, for it is influenced by Roman Catholic dogma, teachings, and practices. Take a look as to what has come to light as indicated here on... Posting: There is ???????? ???????? ?? ???????? ???? ???? until the ???????????????? ?????????????? ?????????? at Friends House, Euston, ???????? ???????????????? ???????? ????????. If you can't make it for the day why not join the ???????? ?????????????? ?????????????? ???????? ??:???? ????! Be sure to bring your friends and others you know who need physical healing! The Miracle Healing Service is ???????? and ???????? ???? ??????.
“Prayer does wonders...Humble and strong prayer that enables Jesus to carry out the miracle...everything is possible for those who have faith” — Pope Francis 20th May 2013
“It is amazing to see the multitude of God’s instantaneous healings people testify to at Damian’s events.” Barbara Tobisch, Medical Doctor
Did not the late Morris Cerullo, was a leading figure in the Word of Faith, make (prophecies) predictions and claimed divine healings under his watch which could not be substantiated and after investigation were found to be false. Peter May interviewed Cerullo after one his rallies held at Earls Court, London. In 1991 he famously had this run - in with the infamous American evangelist Morris Cerullo. May directly challenged the healer to produce his three best miracle stories (and says Cerullo was furious about it). He claims that none of the cases Cerullo eventually provided stood up to scrutiny when he investigated them for the BBC. One miracle claim was with a young girl who Cerullo said that she was healed of cancer. The mother was told by him that she no longer needed the medication prescribed. The young girl died from the disease a few weeks later. Her GP was furious about the so-called miracle healing. Peter May ( a Christian) made Cerullo admit on television that the healing could not have been. It has been similar with the findings over Reinhard Bonnke Rallies held on the African continent. The late Bonnke made claims that millions of Africans were added to the Kingdom of God together with hundreds of divine healings. No evidence could be obtained for those who had been supposedly raised from the dead. It can be noted that Reinhard Bonnke close friends are billionaire Kenneth Copeland and Benny Hinn who make claims too. They are part of the Word of Faith Movement, using false teachings and practices, and misleading folk and their followers by the name and claim it doctrine. I would treat such people with caution!
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Peter Morrow (Guest) |
25/06/2026 11:38 |
This “is exactly what our increasingly anxious world needs.”
Yes!
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Michael Petek |
24/06/2026 12:08 |
Just posted 9 minutes ago on the Cor et Lumen Christi YouTube channel: Political Prophecy Fulfilled.
Damian Stayne prophesied seven years ago that Keir Starmer would resign.
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